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Paul Nutteing
2004-11-08 18:33:59 UTC
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Hodge calls for child care review
Clare Dyer, legal correspondent
Monday November 8, 2004
The Guardian
The children's minister, Margaret Hodge, is to write to social services
departments suggesting that they review care cases in which a
now-discredited expert witness, Colin Paterson, gave evidence.
The fear is that Dr Paterson's evidence, given over two decades in courts in
England, Scotland and the US, could have led courts to return children to
homes where they could be in danger.

Unlike the paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow, criticised as too ready to label
parents abusers, Dr Paterson was lambasted by judges as a peddler of dubious
explanations to exonerate them.

Eventually, England's senior family judge, Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss,
reported him to the General Medical Council.

The council, while accepting his "sincerity", struck him off the medical
register last March for serious professional misconduct.

Bruce Clark, head of the vulnerable children division in the Department for
Education and Skills, told barristers at the Bar conference in London on
Saturday that Mrs Hodge would be writing to local councils about Dr
Paterson.

He said the British Association for the Study and Prevention of Child Abuse
and Neglect had drawn to the department's attention "that experts might be
flawed in more than one direction".

Dr Paterson, a retired chemical pathologist, argued in many cases that
children with fractures apparently caused by their parents were actually
suffering from "temporary brittle bone disease", a condition which few, if
any, specialists believe exists.

He himself estimated that between 60 and 70 children were returned to their
parents as a result of his evidence.

High court judges had doubts about Dr Paterson for years but because family
court cases are heard in private, magistrates and circuit judges were likely
to be unaware of his history.
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Ancient One
2004-11-11 02:34:21 UTC
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Hodge calls for child care review
Clare Dyer, legal correspondent
Monday November 8, 2004
The Guardian
The children's minister, Margaret Hodge, is to write to social services
departments suggesting that they review care cases in which a
now-discredited expert witness, Colin Paterson, gave evidence.
The fear is that Dr Paterson's evidence, given over two decades in courts in
England, Scotland and the US, could have led courts to return children to
homes where they could be in danger.
Unlike the paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow, criticised as too ready to label
parents abusers, Dr Paterson was lambasted by judges as a peddler of dubious
explanations to exonerate them.
Eventually, England's senior family judge, Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss,
reported him to the General Medical Council.
The council, while accepting his "sincerity", struck him off the medical
register last March for serious professional misconduct.
Bruce Clark, head of the vulnerable children division in the Department for
Education and Skills, told barristers at the Bar conference in London on
Saturday that Mrs Hodge would be writing to local councils about Dr
Paterson.
He said the British Association for the Study and Prevention of Child Abuse
and Neglect had drawn to the department's attention "that experts might be
flawed in more than one direction".
Dr Paterson, a retired chemical pathologist, argued in many cases that
children with fractures apparently caused by their parents were actually
suffering from "temporary brittle bone disease", a condition which few, if
any, specialists believe exists.
He himself estimated that between 60 and 70 children were returned to their
parents as a result of his evidence.
High court judges had doubts about Dr Paterson for years but because family
court cases are heard in private, magistrates and circuit judges were likely
to be unaware of his history.
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I wonder how eager SS depts will be to rip children away from parents based
upon the above yet 150 of 152 LA's stated that they refuse to look into
cases that have been proven elsewhere to be legally flawed or extremely
unsafe.

80,000 cases I believe Hodge has to review. I bet she passes all of them or
nearly all as safe and no further action!

It would also be extremely interesting to see out of those 60 or 70
childrens cases how many suffered further injury or risk related problem.

The arguement being that abusers cannot stop abusing, I bet that over 90% of
the children involved were not heard about again.

This stinks especially after the rumour that the govt has plans to remedy
the mass overturns regarding MSBP and so forth, one being that they released
two women who were pretty much guilty in an attempt to derail what is seen
as justice.

Parents beware!

AO
Vixen
2004-11-11 23:34:16 UTC
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Hodge calls for child care review
Clare Dyer, legal correspondent
Monday November 8, 2004
The Guardian
The children's minister, Margaret Hodge, is to write to social services
departments suggesting that they review care cases in which a
now-discredited expert witness, Colin Paterson, gave evidence.
The fear is that Dr Paterson's evidence, given over two decades in courts
in
Post by Paul Nutteing
England, Scotland and the US, could have led courts to return children to
homes where they could be in danger.
Unlike the paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow, criticised as too ready to label
parents abusers, Dr Paterson was lambasted by judges as a peddler of
dubious
Post by Paul Nutteing
explanations to exonerate them.
Eventually, England's senior family judge, Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss,
reported him to the General Medical Council.
The council, while accepting his "sincerity", struck him off the medical
register last March for serious professional misconduct.
Bruce Clark, head of the vulnerable children division in the Department
for
Post by Paul Nutteing
Education and Skills, told barristers at the Bar conference in London on
Saturday that Mrs Hodge would be writing to local councils about Dr
Paterson.
He said the British Association for the Study and Prevention of Child
Abuse
Post by Paul Nutteing
and Neglect had drawn to the department's attention "that experts might be
flawed in more than one direction".
Dr Paterson, a retired chemical pathologist, argued in many cases that
children with fractures apparently caused by their parents were actually
suffering from "temporary brittle bone disease", a condition which few, if
any, specialists believe exists.
He himself estimated that between 60 and 70 children were returned to
their
Post by Paul Nutteing
parents as a result of his evidence.
High court judges had doubts about Dr Paterson for years but because
family
Post by Paul Nutteing
court cases are heard in private, magistrates and circuit judges were
likely
Post by Paul Nutteing
to be unaware of his history.
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I wonder how eager SS depts will be to rip children away from parents based
upon the above yet 150 of 152 LA's stated that they refuse to look into
cases that have been proven elsewhere to be legally flawed or extremely
unsafe.
80,000 cases I believe Hodge has to review. I bet she passes all of them or
nearly all as safe and no further action!
It would also be extremely interesting to see out of those 60 or 70
childrens cases how many suffered further injury or risk related problem.
The arguement being that abusers cannot stop abusing, I bet that over 90% of
the children involved were not heard about again.
This stinks especially after the rumour that the govt has plans to remedy
the mass overturns regarding MSBP and so forth, one being that they released
two women who were pretty much guilty in an attempt to derail what is seen
as justice.
Parents beware!
AO
Oh yes - so quick to scrutinise these cases, when Paterson would be
better served by having his research followed up before they even
think of opening the old wounds of these cases.... Ancient one your
points are so well made.

Will they remove these children if the theory is decided to be flawed
?

And how can they, seeing there is no other research except Patersons
into this condition, apart from one or two USA docs who come up
against similar discrimination.....

As the mother of a ten year old who had multiple unexplained and
virtually symptomless (no bruising, one swelling in 21 or 15 or 12
fractures if they could only agree.....) metaphyseal fractures at six
weeks of age ( five weeks prem due to pre-eclampsia) for which I was
accused of serial premeditated torture, I can say hand on heart that
Patersons theories deserve the utmost consideration as parents are
being blamed left right and centre for things they don't even know
have happened.

Against all odds my child was returned, and without the inclusion of
Paterson in the case - I had to "accept responsibility" without
incriminating myself..... it was an excersise by the SS and doctors in
proving abuse without any corroborative evidence bar X-rays......

And before anyone says anything about change of environment stopping
"abuse" how about the idea of change of environment including change
of diet, medication with multi-vits etc - and who knows what else ? He
had an anaemia sometimes associated with copper deficiency, which can
lead to similar "injuries" but it was not properly tested for at the
time the "injuries" happened so was discounted - there is a medical
mystery out there and it needs to be solved.

Hodge should order medical research before legal review.......
Paul Nutteing
2004-11-12 18:17:02 UTC
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Oh yes - so quick to scrutinise these cases, when Paterson would be
better served by having his research followed up before they even
think of opening the old wounds of these cases.... Ancient one your
points are so well made.
Will they remove these children if the theory is decided to be flawed
?
And how can they, seeing there is no other research except Patersons
into this condition, apart from one or two USA docs who come up
against similar discrimination.....
As the mother of a ten year old who had multiple unexplained and
virtually symptomless (no bruising, one swelling in 21 or 15 or 12
fractures if they could only agree.....) metaphyseal fractures at six
weeks of age ( five weeks prem due to pre-eclampsia) for which I was
accused of serial premeditated torture, I can say hand on heart that
Patersons theories deserve the utmost consideration as parents are
being blamed left right and centre for things they don't even know
have happened.
Against all odds my child was returned, and without the inclusion of
Paterson in the case - I had to "accept responsibility" without
incriminating myself..... it was an excersise by the SS and doctors in
proving abuse without any corroborative evidence bar X-rays......
And before anyone says anything about change of environment stopping
"abuse" how about the idea of change of environment including change
of diet, medication with multi-vits etc - and who knows what else ? He
had an anaemia sometimes associated with copper deficiency, which can
lead to similar "injuries" but it was not properly tested for at the
time the "injuries" happened so was discounted - there is a medical
mystery out there and it needs to be solved.
Hodge should order medical research before legal review.......
Strange coincidence - I picked up on reference to
metaphyseal. Only fully researched in the last five
years in my family is a very rare genetic syndrome
that affects everyone to some extent down one blood line.
It is an error in the growth mechanism in bone
metaphyses. In the most severe forms leading to
curved and shortened bones and a
consequential appearance of rickets.

Decades ago a relative of mine, who was highly
medically trained, had a child who developed
this appearance. These days with far more intervention,
the mother would
have had suspicion of willfull neglect thrust on her.
Evidence: As a medic she should know better
and other siblings apparently unaffected ( now known
tell-tale signs in all direct relatives).

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Ancient One
2004-11-13 00:03:29 UTC
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I wonder how eager SS depts will be to rip children away from parents based
upon the above yet 150 of 152 LA's stated that they refuse to look into
cases that have been proven elsewhere to be legally flawed or extremely
unsafe.
80,000 cases I believe Hodge has to review. I bet she passes all of them or
nearly all as safe and no further action!
It would also be extremely interesting to see out of those 60 or 70
childrens cases how many suffered further injury or risk related problem.
The arguement being that abusers cannot stop abusing, I bet that over 90% of
the children involved were not heard about again.
This stinks especially after the rumour that the govt has plans to remedy
the mass overturns regarding MSBP and so forth, one being that they released
two women who were pretty much guilty in an attempt to derail what is seen
as justice.
Parents beware!
AO
Oh yes - so quick to scrutinise these cases, when Paterson would be
better served by having his research followed up before they even
think of opening the old wounds of these cases.... Ancient one your
points are so well made.
Will they remove these children if the theory is decided to be flawed
?
And how can they, seeing there is no other research except Patersons
into this condition, apart from one or two USA docs who come up
against similar discrimination.....
As the mother of a ten year old who had multiple unexplained and
virtually symptomless (no bruising, one swelling in 21 or 15 or 12
fractures if they could only agree.....) metaphyseal fractures at six
weeks of age ( five weeks prem due to pre-eclampsia) for which I was
accused of serial premeditated torture, I can say hand on heart that
Patersons theories deserve the utmost consideration as parents are
being blamed left right and centre for things they don't even know
have happened.
Against all odds my child was returned, and without the inclusion of
Paterson in the case - I had to "accept responsibility" without
incriminating myself..... it was an excersise by the SS and doctors in
proving abuse without any corroborative evidence bar X-rays......
And before anyone says anything about change of environment stopping
"abuse" how about the idea of change of environment including change
of diet, medication with multi-vits etc - and who knows what else ? He
had an anaemia sometimes associated with copper deficiency, which can
lead to similar "injuries" but it was not properly tested for at the
time the "injuries" happened so was discounted - there is a medical
mystery out there and it needs to be solved.
Hodge should order medical research before legal review.......
A fair point Vixen and something that I have put through to my team at Unity
Injustice, they all agree that it is not unreasonable to have research into
the unknown as a standard rather than the desired for.

It is another interesting point in that Hodge is privately fuming at
Margeret Smiths acquittal, never mind whether its right or not, Hodge sees
this as a personal slur.

Remember of course the fact Hodge was implicated in one of the UK's child
abuse scandals and much responsibility was placed at her feet by Ian White
in 1995, what on earth was Blair thinking about when he made her Junior
Minister, bit like giving the wolf the key to the sheep pen!

I would have thought the most logical steps in the unknown would be to admit
ignorance and offer assistance and support whilst observing which is social
services remit, however this rarely happens. Unless there is immediate and
blatant signs of risk, what harm does it do to allow a little flexibility
and give famiilies support they need.

I also defeated social services in a two year long battle of wits, threat
and counter threat, they simply tried to take my child not because I had
done anything wrong BUT to use as a lever to force me to drop serious
complaints about corrupt and inept social workers in Dorset.

I held on like a terrier to a bone and they finally dropped the case against
me but no apology however every promise or threat I had made against them I
have upheld save two, one is to publicise their behaviour, the other is to
have the whole lot of DCC ripped to pieces and criminal charges brought
about.

Not many people know also that Dr Southall was a Dorset GP and had a
fearsome reputation in Weymouth. People talk to me all the time about him
and isn't it interesting again that he worked in the same area as Lord
Philips of Worth Matravers who finally removed any form of litigation us
parents have against social services?

For your own experiences, I would consider talking to Cassandra Jardine at
the Telegraph, she is battling this with fervour and has exposed a hell of a
lot of stuff but I think she needs more to work with, there are other media
interests at work in the background of which I may not discuss openly.

We at Unity Injustice are having a conference in Salisbury on the 27th Nov,
we have hired the council chamber, if you or anyone else is interested in
attending then please google Unity Injustice and details can be found there.

Good Luck

AO
RPSSUK/Unity Injustice
Paul Nutteing
2004-11-24 22:24:06 UTC
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Quote
Hodge calls for child care review
Clare Dyer, legal correspondent
Monday November 8, 2004
The Guardian
The children's minister, Margaret Hodge, is to write to social services
departments suggesting that they review care cases in which a
now-discredited expert witness, Colin Paterson, gave evidence.
The fear is that Dr Paterson's evidence, given over two decades in courts
in
Post by Paul Nutteing
England, Scotland and the US, could have led courts to return children to
homes where they could be in danger.
Unlike the paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow, criticised as too ready to label
parents abusers, Dr Paterson was lambasted by judges as a peddler of
dubious
Post by Paul Nutteing
explanations to exonerate them.
Eventually, England's senior family judge, Dame Elizabeth
Butler-Sloss,
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
reported him to the General Medical Council.
The council, while accepting his "sincerity", struck him off the medical
register last March for serious professional misconduct.
Bruce Clark, head of the vulnerable children division in the Department
for
Post by Paul Nutteing
Education and Skills, told barristers at the Bar conference in London on
Saturday that Mrs Hodge would be writing to local councils about Dr
Paterson.
He said the British Association for the Study and Prevention of Child
Abuse
Post by Paul Nutteing
and Neglect had drawn to the department's attention "that experts might be
flawed in more than one direction".
Dr Paterson, a retired chemical pathologist, argued in many cases that
children with fractures apparently caused by their parents were actually
suffering from "temporary brittle bone disease", a condition which few, if
any, specialists believe exists.
He himself estimated that between 60 and 70 children were returned to
their
Post by Paul Nutteing
parents as a result of his evidence.
High court judges had doubts about Dr Paterson for years but because
family
Post by Paul Nutteing
court cases are heard in private, magistrates and circuit judges were
likely
Post by Paul Nutteing
to be unaware of his history.
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I wonder how eager SS depts will be to rip children away from parents based
upon the above yet 150 of 152 LA's stated that they refuse to look into
cases that have been proven elsewhere to be legally flawed or extremely
unsafe.
80,000 cases I believe Hodge has to review. I bet she passes all of them or
nearly all as safe and no further action!
It would also be extremely interesting to see out of those 60 or 70
childrens cases how many suffered further injury or risk related problem.
The arguement being that abusers cannot stop abusing, I bet that over 90% of
the children involved were not heard about again.
This stinks especially after the rumour that the govt has plans to remedy
the mass overturns regarding MSBP and so forth, one being that they released
two women who were pretty much guilty in an attempt to derail what is seen
as justice.
Parents beware!
AO
Oh yes - so quick to scrutinise these cases, when Paterson would be
better served by having his research followed up before they even
think of opening the old wounds of these cases.... Ancient one your
points are so well made.
Will they remove these children if the theory is decided to be flawed
?
And how can they, seeing there is no other research except Patersons
into this condition, apart from one or two USA docs who come up
against similar discrimination.....
As the mother of a ten year old who had multiple unexplained and
virtually symptomless (no bruising, one swelling in 21 or 15 or 12
fractures if they could only agree.....) metaphyseal fractures at six
weeks of age ( five weeks prem due to pre-eclampsia) for which I was
accused of serial premeditated torture, I can say hand on heart that
Patersons theories deserve the utmost consideration as parents are
being blamed left right and centre for things they don't even know
have happened.
Against all odds my child was returned, and without the inclusion of
Paterson in the case - I had to "accept responsibility" without
incriminating myself..... it was an excersise by the SS and doctors in
proving abuse without any corroborative evidence bar X-rays......
And before anyone says anything about change of environment stopping
"abuse" how about the idea of change of environment including change
of diet, medication with multi-vits etc - and who knows what else ? He
had an anaemia sometimes associated with copper deficiency, which can
lead to similar "injuries" but it was not properly tested for at the
time the "injuries" happened so was discounted - there is a medical
mystery out there and it needs to be solved.
Hodge should order medical research before legal review.......
It was the second of those BBC1 Bristol
SW docs yesterday.
It just shows how dangerous all those associated
with CP are.
Tails you lose , heads we win.
I was reminded of one of the baby 'murder' cases where
the prosecution stated it was suspicious there were
life threatening events before the death.
Another case a prosecution witness stated it was
suspicious there was no LTEs before death.

In the Bristol case.
Baby a few months old with obvious Xrays showing
5 broken ribs.
SW explains 3 possibilities
1/ Medical staff - improper actions
2/ Medical anomaly leading to week bones.
3/ One or both parents deliberately harmed the baby.

The father states to camera, indignantly.
The hospital trust is allowed to investigate
itself, the possibility
of medical malpractise.
While the parents are investigated by doctors ,
SSD and police.

The rib-breaks occured at different times ( could
be back-dated ) coincident
with hospitalisations at 2 different hospitals to the
current one so deemed by the SW
improbable it was due to hospital staff.

Eventually geneticist says probably some
undiagnosed week bone condition. The bones having
been broken during lumbar-puncture invasions at the
2 hospitals.
Left at that - no investigation of NHS-wide
neo-natal hospital procedures, just cary on as normal
the 2 different hospitals and presumably all UK hospitals.
S.N.A.F.U.

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2004-11-25 16:40:03 UTC
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Quote
Hodge calls for child care review
Clare Dyer, legal correspondent
Monday November 8, 2004
The Guardian
The children's minister, Margaret Hodge, is to write to social
services
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
departments suggesting that they review care cases in which a
now-discredited expert witness, Colin Paterson, gave evidence.
The fear is that Dr Paterson's evidence, given over two decades in
courts
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
in
Post by Paul Nutteing
England, Scotland and the US, could have led courts to return
children
Post by Paul Nutteing
to
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
homes where they could be in danger.
Unlike the paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow, criticised as too ready to
label
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
parents abusers, Dr Paterson was lambasted by judges as a peddler of
dubious
Post by Paul Nutteing
explanations to exonerate them.
Eventually, England's senior family judge, Dame Elizabeth
Butler-Sloss,
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
reported him to the General Medical Council.
The council, while accepting his "sincerity", struck him off the
medical
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
register last March for serious professional misconduct.
Bruce Clark, head of the vulnerable children division in the
Department
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
for
Post by Paul Nutteing
Education and Skills, told barristers at the Bar conference in
London
Post by Paul Nutteing
on
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
Saturday that Mrs Hodge would be writing to local councils about Dr
Paterson.
He said the British Association for the Study and Prevention of Child
Abuse
Post by Paul Nutteing
and Neglect had drawn to the department's attention "that experts
might be
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
flawed in more than one direction".
Dr Paterson, a retired chemical pathologist, argued in many cases that
children with fractures apparently caused by their parents were
actually
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
suffering from "temporary brittle bone disease", a condition which
few, if
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
Post by Paul Nutteing
any, specialists believe exists.
He himself estimated that between 60 and 70 children were returned to
their
Post by Paul Nutteing
parents as a result of his evidence.
High court judges had doubts about Dr Paterson for years but because
family
Post by Paul Nutteing
court cases are heard in private, magistrates and circuit judges were
likely
Post by Paul Nutteing
to be unaware of his history.
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I wonder how eager SS depts will be to rip children away from parents
based
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
upon the above yet 150 of 152 LA's stated that they refuse to look into
cases that have been proven elsewhere to be legally flawed or extremely
unsafe.
80,000 cases I believe Hodge has to review. I bet she passes all of
them or
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
nearly all as safe and no further action!
It would also be extremely interesting to see out of those 60 or 70
childrens cases how many suffered further injury or risk related
problem.
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
The arguement being that abusers cannot stop abusing, I bet that over
90% of
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
the children involved were not heard about again.
This stinks especially after the rumour that the govt has plans to
remedy
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
the mass overturns regarding MSBP and so forth, one being that they
released
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
two women who were pretty much guilty in an attempt to derail what is
seen
Post by Vixen
Post by Paul Nutteing
as justice.
Parents beware!
AO
Oh yes - so quick to scrutinise these cases, when Paterson would be
better served by having his research followed up before they even
think of opening the old wounds of these cases.... Ancient one your
points are so well made.
Will they remove these children if the theory is decided to be flawed
?
And how can they, seeing there is no other research except Patersons
into this condition, apart from one or two USA docs who come up
against similar discrimination.....
As the mother of a ten year old who had multiple unexplained and
virtually symptomless (no bruising, one swelling in 21 or 15 or 12
fractures if they could only agree.....) metaphyseal fractures at six
weeks of age ( five weeks prem due to pre-eclampsia) for which I was
accused of serial premeditated torture, I can say hand on heart that
Patersons theories deserve the utmost consideration as parents are
being blamed left right and centre for things they don't even know
have happened.
Against all odds my child was returned, and without the inclusion of
Paterson in the case - I had to "accept responsibility" without
incriminating myself..... it was an excersise by the SS and doctors in
proving abuse without any corroborative evidence bar X-rays......
And before anyone says anything about change of environment stopping
"abuse" how about the idea of change of environment including change
of diet, medication with multi-vits etc - and who knows what else ? He
had an anaemia sometimes associated with copper deficiency, which can
lead to similar "injuries" but it was not properly tested for at the
time the "injuries" happened so was discounted - there is a medical
mystery out there and it needs to be solved.
Hodge should order medical research before legal review.......
It was the second of those BBC1 Bristol
SW docs yesterday.
It just shows how dangerous all those associated
with CP are.
Tails you lose , heads we win.
I was reminded of one of the baby 'murder' cases where
the prosecution stated it was suspicious there were
life threatening events before the death.
Another case a prosecution witness stated it was
suspicious there was no LTEs before death.
In the Bristol case.
Baby a few months old with obvious Xrays showing
5 broken ribs.
SW explains 3 possibilities
1/ Medical staff - improper actions
2/ Medical anomaly leading to week bones.
3/ One or both parents deliberately harmed the baby.
The father states to camera, indignantly.
The hospital trust is allowed to investigate
itself, the possibility
of medical malpractise.
While the parents are investigated by doctors ,
SSD and police.
The rib-breaks occured at different times ( could
be back-dated ) coincident
with hospitalisations at 2 different hospitals to the
current one so deemed by the SW
improbable it was due to hospital staff.
Eventually geneticist says probably some
undiagnosed week bone condition. The bones having
been broken during lumbar-puncture invasions at the
2 hospitals.
Left at that - no investigation of NHS-wide
neo-natal hospital procedures, just cary on as normal
the 2 different hospitals and presumably all UK hospitals.
S.N.A.F.U.
Exposing corrupt, dangerous and incompetent
Wiltshire social workers
http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/nutteing3.htm
or nutteing3 in a search engine
Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
it is defunct due to spam.
But hold on, wasn't Paterson's temporary Brittle Bone Disease supposedly a
sham???

Yet here it is being indicated in its proper context.that it actually
exists, I hope Dr Paterson watched that program as he can vindicate himself
there and then.

Did you see that workers face, she did not like it one bit that the parents
were not guilty.

I also did not like her attituide when she dismissed the likelihood of
medical injury by staff, I think she should be investigated herself for her
attituide and biased behaviour. I liked not the way she spoke after
speaking to them in the room also, she wanted them to be guilty.

Interesting legal point re:L 2002 states parents are to be treated as an
equal professional agency, the parents had the right to be at that meeting
through re:L 2002, social services are legally bound to identify legal
duties to their clients, the arguement would be that if the parents were not
allowed there then neither would the medical services who were of equal
suspicion, luckily for those parents, the doctors were honest.

AO

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