Post by Greg HansonPost by Alan GPost by Paul NutteingI have unilaterally declared myself a psychiatric
expert and this behaviour comes under my
self promulgated analysis
Deluded Professional Syndrome
that can be observed in a number
of different professions.
You can be accepted as an expert witness
simply by having written a book on a subject
that is little researched. I know someone who
although a highly qualified and respected
engineer was called as an expert witness
solely on the grounds he had written a book
on his hobby.
I think it was the Wenatchee witch hunt where
the caseworkers had just watched a Television
Movie of the Week and taken a one hour seminar
on ritualized child abuse, and based on this
""expertise"" proceeeded to imagine it behind
every closed door!
Please..you don't "think" at all. You simply guess and hope no one
will ask you to prove your assertions. I can't recall you ever
responding by prove any of your claims when challenged to do so.
You simply ad hom, or otherwise attempt the question the credibility
of the one requesting your proof. Typical immoral and unethical
reaction from the looney fringers in the anti CPS crusade of limp,
impotent, hilarious dodgers.
What you just described above is the reason law enforcement is in on
nearly all sexual abuses cases, and in some jurisditions, such as
Yavapi Co in AZ, any kind of abuse cases. It is required that both
agencies, CPS and Police maintain contact on the case, and at various
points one or the other will have primary responsibility for a
portion......interviewing being the LEO part.
This isn't isolated to AZ.
Post by Greg HansonBut that isn't very surprizing since almost
none of the caseworkers in the USA are licensed
or qualified.
Oh?
That's why upon any evidence that appears credible they are in so many
states required to report to the police and they are more trained
usually. On the other hand I knew two workers, I believe at least one
was an MSW, that from 1980 (and they had been doing sex abuse
investigations interviews before met them) not only were highly
qualitifed, but taught others and were instrumental, and eventually
staff a CARES unit in a hospital...though still state employees.
The just retired from the CARES unit three years ago. Would you say 20
years of experience was sufficient? They garden now, and one reports
heeding some tune up psychologically, because after all those years of
day after day interviewing children that had been brutally sexually
assaulted, but having to maintain professional decorum, and NOT
influence the child's response, and NOW free of that, it all started
coming back at her, hard. You should do such painful horrible work to
start a child's healing.
Do you know what a CARES unit is and does?
Want to know how many of them there are in the US. Want to continue to
claim there are almost no caseworkers qualified or licensed?
Considering it harldly matters since they have specialists to DO the
actual investigation.
Post by Greg HansonMost of the contracted Social
Workers are not licensed SW's either,
Well you be so kind as to prove that? It's a much repeated lie, but is
no truer by that than when it first was claimed. In fact if anyone
connected to child welfare is more likely to be a licensed SW it would
be exactly that group..the contracted social workers that do
investigative work in sexual abuse cases. .
Post by Greg Hansonand
even the few who ARE licensed are so BEHOLDEN
to the less qualified caseworkers from the
government agency that they will even do things
that they KNOW violate ethics, best practice or
even law. Unfortunately for them, they are
NOT cloaked with any immunity.
I would be happy to introduce you to many of the people you are
slandering and have them ask you face to face to explain what you mean
and prove it.
Care to participate?
Post by Greg HansonPolice in a few cases
Then why are you bothering to bring up the rare to prove what you seem
to be claiming is the rule? or are you just babbling to entertain?
Post by Greg Hansongot CONNED by caseworkers
regarding forced entry into homes.
Nonsense.
Workers are required in many, probably most, areas to report abuse
allegations to the police...that would hardly be "conning" them.
Please pick a case, call the principals involved and give them your
opinion they lied and were lied to. I'm sure they'll give you a job,
theirs.
The worker can only tell the officer the information he or she has
that has been transmitted to the worker from the abuse hotline call.
The officer knows perfectly well, unless brand spankin' new, that the
information is limited......and nothing stops the officer from asking
questionw of the worker, as most police officers are trained to do, to
establish credibility.
Post by Greg HansonThe resulting law suits and Judges rulings
have taught cops far and wide that caseworkers
DO indeed lie, and NOT to bet your career on
caseworkers assertions of their right to search.
Please cite case and number, with appropriate clickable links from
this ng to your sources.
I'll happily cite mine that show you to be a liar, or fool, or
ignorant and dangerously slanderous...and misleading the public....who
could make decisions about their own circumstances that cause them
lose or harm by believing you.
http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/acainfo/protocol/yavapai.pdf
This is one state, and there are plenty more, that require close
cooperation between LE and CPS.
For instance, referring to the cited URL above, many states have gone,
years ago, to a more victim friendly model that requires a team
approach....and not all persons interviewing, but observing while one
trained interviewer conducts the facc to face....
"8. We are currently establishing a Forensic Interview Team to reduce
the trauma to children caused by multiple interviews. The Forensic
Interview Team will conduct a videotaped interview that will meet the
needs of both criminal and CPS investigations. Law enforcement
investigators, CPS social workers, and prosecutors will observe the
interview behind a one-way glass. (See Forensic Interview Team
Protocol.)
You, and others here take great risks with other people's safety by
the misleading way you direct attention to low risk, or very rare
events of questionable practice in child welfare.
Now it may serve the various purposes you each bring to the forum, but
that does in no way excuse you from putting vulerable families that
have come here for what they hope is thoughtful and correct
information.
You and others will do anything you can to muddy the waters, driving
people away from good information that would be helpful by trying to
do such things as you have always done here.......lying to attack the
credibility of knowledgable posters. Lying to pretend to events,
intents, outcomes, processes, that do not exist or do NOT mean what
you in your delusional fantasies need them to mean for your comfort
and catharsis.
YOU, boy, are sick. Very, and you are perfectly happy to indulge
youself at their expense. I'm not willing to let you do that
The vast majority of child sexual abuse cases will be investigated by
trained and capable investigators, each doing their portion of the
work as they are mandated to do.
The initial contact with CPS, usually a call and or follow up written
report (if a mandataed reporter) will be seen or heard by a screener.
They are very good at determining is an allegation is from a credible
source, and if the contents of the allegation support the need for
further action.
Next a hotline worker will ask for details, with some explaination of
various things, such as the inability for them to gaurantee anonymity
(another of the lies of you sick people), and get enough information
to determine if the report needs to go to an intake worker.
This worker will report, if the allegation, and state law requires, to
a police officer for investigation and coordination. And the nature of
the case will determine who takes the lead, and who the supportive
role in the ensuing investigation.
You have lied, Greg, and lied repeatedly in this ng and you do great
harm to people that might believe you and misunderstand CPS practices.
YOU are so stupid and self involved you assume everything CPS has done
in your case is an attack on you personally...you remain oblivious to
the protocols of investigation, casework required practice, even
policy matters you could understand if you did not have your own sick
biases and agenda.
You simply want to fuck people in the brain that come here, like you
fucked a mother out her child, and the child out of her.
CPS didn't move that child away three years ago, and it's time you
owned up...YOU did it. You simply used CPS to carry out YOUR plan that
has left you sitting on your ass for three + years, doing nothing but
taking up resources you do not pay for in any way.
If I were religious I would wish for you to burn in hell for what you
have done and what you do here.
Kane