Ch7 digs up another Auswitch survivor. None from the majority non Jewish victims of course?

[Anemona]

In London, the Government had known all about the holocaust for years: the
decoders at Bletchely Park read the daily reports of the SS to Berlin,
detailing how many Jews they had murdered that day.

The RAF could have bombed the gas chambers at Auschwitz: they had been
identified in aerial photographs; or the railway which led there from
Budapest, a line used to transport hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews
to the gas chambers. Churchill urged it, but the RAF objected.

Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.

What a disgusting bastard nation of murderers!

Strange how Ch 7 and company can only find and interview only Jewish
survivors of Auswitch?One would expect some respect and to hear from a
survivor that was not Jewish. Simply because they to were there in the

same

horrible conditions?
Ch9 and the ABC seem to be able to cover that WWII horror without
particularly emphasising the smaller Jewish involvement without

diminishinh

the event. And the predominanc of Jewish witnesses appearing could be

merely

refloecting the retiring nature of the non Jewish victims rather than
attempts to by Jews to dominate proceedings and maintain the sympathy of
the public for their suffering rather than the non Jewish victims.

What are you saying, jews can't take a joke as well as others? Or that ch7
has some particular interest in pushing Israel's causes?

[Sunny]

Post by Anemona
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now
we know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others
in Auschwitz.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

[bean]

Post by Anemona
In London, the Government had known all about the holocaust for years: the
decoders at Bletchely Park read the daily reports of the SS to Berlin,
detailing how many Jews they had murdered that day.

Please provide credible references for this claim.

[Jacques Guy]

Post by Anemona
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.

Seeing that the Freemasons manage to control the world, while making
up for a tiny proportion of its population,

seeing that the Jews manage to control the world, while making up
for a tiny proportion of its population,

seeing that the Freemasons have been busy exterminating the Jews,

and finally, seeing that Freemasons and Jews, although at each
other's throats, still manage to control the world, I say:

Them Freemasons and Jews sure are mighty powerful medicine
men! Hugh!

[Chris Hills]

Post by Jacques Guy

Post by Anemona
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.

Seeing that the Freemasons manage to control the world, while making
up for a tiny proportion of its population,
seeing that the Jews manage to control the world, while making up
for a tiny proportion of its population,
seeing that the Freemasons have been busy exterminating the Jews,
and finally, seeing that Freemasons and Jews, although at each
Them Freemasons and Jews sure are mighty powerful medicine
men! Hugh!

actually the freemasons and the jews take their orders from the Jesuits
:-)

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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
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[jbc]

Post by Jim Bennie
<snip>

Post by Chris Hills
The problem is

.. Mr. Stephens has no credibility on Usenet, despite his constant
morphing, as witnessed by his "Jack the Ripper" ID. His only gainful
employment seems to be x-posting to newsgroups.

Post by Chris Hills
What darkness? They always meet at mid-day

Very clever! Well done.
Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver

Dear Auditorium,

This is typical Masonic lying process at work:

One freemason lie that meetings are at mid-day. It's not - it is almost
always in the evening (just see freemasonic websites advertising their
meetings), But to enable lying, in their ceremony they play with the words
saying some rubbish like whatisthetime and answer on that mention mid-day.
This of course doesn't change the time - it is still evening and dark
outside (sometimes in some ceremonies is also dark in the lodge).

Here we have a case of liar Chris Hills <***@phaedsys.org> openly
spreading the lie "What darkness? They always meet at mid-day" which is
immediately supported by other liar Jim Bennie" <***@vcn.bc.ca>
praising him with "Very clever! Well done".

This is directly against one of God's 10 Commandments talking about false
witnessing.
This is proof that freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity and every
Christian should leave this satanic organisation at once.
Being mason is living in perpetual deadly sin.

This really pathetic lies are the way freemasons deceive everyone.
Who can be a freemason?
Only someone who is not only willing to lie (even under oath on the court)
but who is also willing to support other liars no matter what damage is done
by lying to everyone else,

Definitely the mafia style society which should be destroyed by harsh
prosecution of members for lying and other damages done every day to other
people.

No wonders that membership in freemasonry is failing,

[Jack the Ripper]

Dear Boss,


The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.

Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.

In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.

Your humble servant,
Jack

Post by Anemona
In London, the Government had known all about the holocaust for years: the
decoders at Bletchely Park read the daily reports of the SS to Berlin,
detailing how many Jews they had murdered that day.
The RAF could have bombed the gas chambers at Auschwitz: they had been
identified in aerial photographs; or the railway which led there from
Budapest, a line used to transport hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews
to the gas chambers. Churchill urged it, but the RAF objected.
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.
What a disgusting bastard nation of murderers!

Strange how Ch 7 and company can only find and interview only Jewish
survivors of Auswitch?One would expect some respect and to hear from a
survivor that was not Jewish. Simply because they to were there in the

same

horrible conditions?
Ch9 and the ABC seem to be able to cover that WWII horror without
particularly emphasising the smaller Jewish involvement without

diminishinh

the event. And the predominanc of Jewish witnesses appearing could be

merely

refloecting the retiring nature of the non Jewish victims rather than
attempts to by Jews to dominate proceedings and maintain the sympathy of
the public for their suffering rather than the non Jewish victims.

What are you saying, jews can't take a joke as well as others? Or that ch7
has some particular interest in pushing Israel's causes?

[Chris Hills]

Post by Jack the Ripper
The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

The problem is that the German military Enigma were not the same as the
commercial ones. Knowing how it works is not a problem. No cipher is
considered "strong" until it has been published and looked over by the
cryptographic community.

The US government (and indeed many chip and pin smart cards use DES
encryption. The DES standard (and many implementations have been freely
available for years (see my web suite for several of them)

The problem is the keys. TO crack enigma messages even with a machine in
front of you would take months unless you know the key.

Post by Jack the Ripper
In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.

What darkness? They always meet at mid-day


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[Jim Bennie]

<snip>

Post by Chris Hills
The problem is

.. Mr. Stephens has no credibility on Usenet, despite his constant
morphing, as witnessed by his "Jack the Ripper" ID. His only gainful
employment seems to be x-posting to newsgroups.

Post by Chris Hills
What darkness? They always meet at mid-day

Very clever! Well done.

Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver

[Michiko]

Larry, 'Marta' is away. We are living in her home for a while at
her request. She asked us to read posts and tell her if there is
anything for clarification.

Now that's funny!

Why bother?, these clown obviously stick together...I can gaurantee you
won't get a straight answer.

What you will get is a lot of 'cute' responses meant as attempts at humour..
Thats all they are capable of responding with. Their 'instruction' won't let
them do anything that could possibly 'hurt the cause' ..

You know when one of the highest ranking members writes a book saying that
98% of the freemasons don't even know what its about, that tells you all you
need to know about freemasonry.. He actually made a point to condemn their
stupidity and ignorance.

They hide the true adgenda because they know that their members (if
informed) would want nothing to do with it. After all, it leads to their own
sub servience..Go read Plato's Repulic one more time.. This time realize you
aren't on the side you think you are...... They are told how to act, how to
do business, who to talk to, who not to talk to, how to address each other..
can you say LEMMINGS!? mindless self centered LEMMINGS, serving the wrong
god and not even knowing it...

Why ask the rest of the clown posse with their boyscout handshakes and
'secret decoder rings' for advice...

These chumps are all FOLLOWERS, not leaders

The masons are a joke.. but, they just don't realize the joke is on them..

[Jack the Ripper]

Dear Boss,


The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.

Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.

In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.

Your humble servant,
Jack

Post by Anemona
In London, the Government had known all about the holocaust for years: the
decoders at Bletchely Park read the daily reports of the SS to Berlin,
detailing how many Jews they had murdered that day.
The RAF could have bombed the gas chambers at Auschwitz: they had been
identified in aerial photographs; or the railway which led there from
Budapest, a line used to transport hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews
to the gas chambers. Churchill urged it, but the RAF objected.
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.
What a disgusting bastard nation of murderers!

Strange how Ch 7 and company can only find and interview only Jewish
survivors of Auswitch?One would expect some respect and to hear from a
survivor that was not Jewish. Simply because they to were there in the

same

horrible conditions?
Ch9 and the ABC seem to be able to cover that WWII horror without
particularly emphasising the smaller Jewish involvement without

diminishinh

the event. And the predominanc of Jewish witnesses appearing could be

merely

refloecting the retiring nature of the non Jewish victims rather than
attempts to by Jews to dominate proceedings and maintain the sympathy of
the public for their suffering rather than the non Jewish victims.

What are you saying, jews can't take a joke as well as others? Or that ch7
has some particular interest in pushing Israel's causes?

[Sunny]

Post by Jack the Ripper
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Bullshit.

[Jack the Ripper]

It was invented in 1918 by Arthur Scherbius of the small, inventive
engineering firm Scherbius & Ritter. By the late twenties, Scherbius had
managed to get a contract with the German armed forces and eventually,
some 30,000 of the machines were built and used for all kinds of crypto
traffic by the German Navy, Army and Air Force.

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Bullshit.

[Stan Pierce]

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Bullshit.

Yes, well, you should have blocked his name as soon as you saw that stupid
claim. He's a no-thing kid.

[Chris Hills]

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Bullshit.

It similar machines were commercially available. However the German
military used slightly more complex versions. Also it is very easy to
modify the wiring and add rotors (which they did) to increase the odds
again.

It is not the machine or the method. the problem is the keys.



/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[jbc]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Bullshit.

It similar machines were commercially available. However the German
military used slightly more complex versions. Also it is very easy to
modify the wiring and add rotors (which they did) to increase the odds
again.
It is not the machine or the method. the problem is the keys.
<snip>

Post by Sunny
The problem is

.. Mr. Stephens has no credibility on Usenet, despite his constant
morphing, as witnessed by his "Jack the Ripper" ID. His only gainful
employment seems to be x-posting to newsgroups.

Post by Sunny
What darkness? They always meet at mid-day

Very clever! Well done.
Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver

Dear Auditorium,

This is typical Masonic lying process at work:

One freemason lie that meetings are at mid-day. It's not - it is almost
always in the evening (just see freemasonic websites advertising their
meetings), But to enable lying, in their ceremony they play with the words
saying some rubbish like whatisthetime and answer on that mention mid-day.
This of course doesn't change the time - it is still evening and dark
outside (sometimes in some ceremonies is also dark in the lodge).

Here we have a case of liar Chris Hills <***@phaedsys.org> openly
spreading the lie "What darkness? They always meet at mid-day" which is
immediately supported by other liar Jim Bennie" <***@vcn.bc.ca>
praising him with "Very clever! Well done".

This is directly against one of God's 10 Commandments talking about false
witnessing.
This is proof that freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity and every
Christian should leave this satanic organisation at once.
Being mason is living in perpetual deadly sin.

This really pathetic lies are the way freemasons deceive everyone.
Who can be a freemason?
Only someone who is not only willing to lie (even under oath on the court)
but who is also willing to support other liars no matter what damage is done
by lying to everyone else,

Definitely the mafia style society which should be destroyed by harsh
prosecution of members for lying and other damages done every day to other
people.

No wonders that membership in freemasonry is failing,

[Jim E]

Post by Jack the Ripper
Dear Boss,
The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.
Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.
In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.
Your humble servant,
Jack

Is this yahoo some isolated form of dementia
online?
I haven't encountered this form of nutball in other NG's

Inquiring minds ......


Jim E

[Jack the Ripper]

Post by Jim E

Post by Jack the Ripper
Dear Boss,
The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.
Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.
In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.
Your humble servant,
Jack

Is this yahoo some isolated form of dementia
online?
I haven't encountered this form of nutball in other NG's
Inquiring minds ......

It was invented in 1918 by Arthur Scherbius of the small, inventive
engineering firm Scherbius & Ritter. By the late twenties, Scherbius had
managed to get a contract with the German armed forces and eventually,
some 30,000 of the machines were built and used for all kinds of crypto
traffic by the German Navy, Army and Air Force.


Can you get your enquiring mind around that one, or would you like me to
do the math for you?

[Sunny]

Post by Jack the Ripper

Post by Jim E

Post by Jack the Ripper
Dear Boss,
The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.
Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.
In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.
Your humble servant,
Jack

Is this yahoo some isolated form of dementia
online?
I haven't encountered this form of nutball in other NG's
Inquiring minds ......

It was invented in 1918 by Arthur Scherbius of the small, inventive
engineering firm Scherbius & Ritter. By the late twenties, Scherbius had
managed to get a contract with the German armed forces and eventually,
some 30,000 of the machines were built and used for all kinds of crypto
traffic by the German Navy, Army and Air Force.
Can you get your enquiring mind around that one, or would you like me to
do the math for you?
The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Source ?

[Jack the Ripper]

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Source ?

It was availlable all across Europe.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Enigma%20(machine)



Arthur Scherbius first produced it commercially in 1923. Impressed by its
security, which was based on statistical analysis, the German government
acquired all rights to the machine and adapted it to the needs of its new,
modern military forces.

http://www.u534.coolfreepages.com/Code_Breaking/code_breaking_world_war_II.htm

[Sunny]

Post by Jack the Ripper

Post by Sunny

Post by Jack the Ripper
The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Source ?

It was availlable all across Europe.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Enigma%20(machine)

Shoots down your claim that "The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in
shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII."

Post by Jack the Ripper
Arthur Scherbius first produced it commercially in 1923. Impressed by its
security, which was based on statistical analysis, the German government
acquired all rights to the machine and adapted it to the needs of its new,
modern military forces.
http://www.u534.coolfreepages.com/Code_Breaking/code_breaking_world_war_II.htm

The "machine" that Germany produced (plus it's additions) was not the one
"Available in London shops".

[Mark]

Post by Jack the Ripper

Post by Jim E

Post by Jack the Ripper
Dear Boss,
The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.
Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.
Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.
In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.
Your humble servant,
Jack

Is this yahoo some isolated form of dementia
online?
I haven't encountered this form of nutball in other NG's
Inquiring minds ......

It was invented in 1918 by Arthur Scherbius of the small, inventive
engineering firm Scherbius & Ritter. By the late twenties, Scherbius had
managed to get a contract with the German armed forces and eventually,
some 30,000 of the machines were built and used for all kinds of crypto
traffic by the German Navy, Army and Air Force.
Can you get your enquiring mind around that one, or would you like me to
do the math for you?

Let me do the math. The encoding machine used by the Germans was created
in 1918 and the encryption technique was no doubt available to the
Allied forces.

The fundamental principle underlying every encyption technique is that
it doesn't matter whether you know how the data is encrypted; this
information is useless unless you know the key used to encrypt the data.

For example, the most common encyption technique today is known as PGP.
Anyone on the Internet can view the code behind PGP and learn exactly
how PGP encryption works. But to decrypt a message encrypted using PGP
would take decades no matter how well you understand the encyption
technique used. Without the decryption key, the message is uncrackable.

Anyone with a basic grounding in high school mathematics could
unnderstand the principles behind data encryption and the distinction
between the encoding technique used and the key used to encrypt the data.

[Norwood Holden]

Post by Mark
Let me do the math. The encoding machine used by the Germans was created
in 1918 and the encryption technique was no doubt available to the
Allied forces.
The fundamental principle underlying every encyption technique is that
it doesn't matter whether you know how the data is encrypted; this
information is useless unless you know the key used to encrypt the data.
For example, the most common encyption technique today is known as PGP.
Anyone on the Internet can view the code behind PGP and learn exactly
how PGP encryption works. But to decrypt a message encrypted using PGP
would take decades no matter how well you understand the encyption
technique used. Without the decryption key, the message is uncrackable.
Anyone with a basic grounding in high school mathematics could
unnderstand the principles behind data encryption and the distinction
between the encoding technique used and the key used to encrypt the data.

Dear child, a key can only be envisaged if the locking mechanism it is to
free is known. That is simply Cryptography 101.

A key! A key for what??? How a lock is picked requires first we know the
locking mechanism, the key comes later.

I see you have fallen for the trap of taking your pretentious lead from
the masonic smokescreen in the form of Chris. What a lamer!! Write your
own materal lamer!! LOL!

The British started WWII because all they know is dominance is THE
priority, not humanity. Why else would they stick the Jews in the Middle
East?! DUH!!

Regards,
N.

[Chris Hills]

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Mark
Let me do the math. The encoding machine used by the Germans was created
in 1918 and the encryption technique was no doubt available to the
Allied forces.
The fundamental principle underlying every encyption technique is that
it doesn't matter whether you know how the data is encrypted; this
information is useless unless you know the key used to encrypt the data.
For example, the most common encyption technique today is known as PGP.
Anyone on the Internet can view the code behind PGP and learn exactly
how PGP encryption works. But to decrypt a message encrypted using PGP
would take decades no matter how well you understand the encyption
technique used. Without the decryption key, the message is uncrackable.
Anyone with a basic grounding in high school mathematics could
unnderstand the principles behind data encryption and the distinction
between the encoding technique used and the key used to encrypt the data.

Dear child, a key can only be envisaged if the locking mechanism it is to
free is known. That is simply Cryptography 101.

Yes but Jack is absolutely right. Have a look at the cryptography
section on my web site. NO cipher is considered secure by the crypto
community unless it has been published!

The Germans simpley used a very good and proven commercial method.
Though they did add some tweeks like additional rotors and changes to
the reflector I think.

Cryptography 101 if you don't publish the method is it isn't secure. In
fact the *new* US crypto system was published BEFORE it went in to use.
The first thing they did with DES (the old one) was publish it as a
freely available standard.

Any one can get a copy of this and implement DES. It is used a lot on
smart cards.

One of the few that was not published for about the first 5 years of
it's life was the open key method. The UK invented it but kept quiet.
Then about 5 years later RSA in the US did it publicly.

Post by Norwood Holden
A key! A key for what??? How a lock is picked requires first we know the
locking mechanism, the key comes later.

You completely miss misunderstand. In the first half of the 20th
Century there were no computers. If you had a key that had a couple of
thousand permutations it would take a long while to be cracked by hand.
Enigma had 100's of thousands of possibilities that changed with every
letter. It was therefore "un-crackable"

It was only the secret development of computers that made it's cracking
possible. What was possible in 1955 was VERY different to what was
possible in 1935.

Beside the Germans used several versions of Enigma just to confuse
things.

Post by Norwood Holden
I see you have fallen for the trap of taking your pretentious lead from
the masonic smokescreen in the form of Chris. What a lamer!! Write your
own materal lamer!! LOL!

What are you on about? This has AFAIK nothing to do with Masons. Though
my knowledge of masons is negligible.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
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[Norwood Holden]

Post by Chris Hills
What are you on about? This has AFAIK nothing to do with Masons. Though
my knowledge of masons is negligible.

Alan Turing was silenced, suicided, but why? If there were computer
developments between the times of Babbage and Turing particularly PRIOR to
WWII, might this explain the disposal of Turing?

[Chris Hills]

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Chris Hills
What are you on about? This has AFAIK nothing to do with Masons. Though
my knowledge of masons is negligible.

Alan Turing was silenced, suicided, but why?

He was homosexual at a time when being gay was "a security risk"....
The strain of being gay led quite a few in high profile and security
sensitive areas to commit suicide. Very sad and a great loss.


Silenced implies intent by some one else. I doubt that very much. As
least not from within the UK side. The Russians maybe but the were
communists and I doubt they were masons.

Post by Norwood Holden
If there were computer
developments between the times of Babbage and Turing particularly PRIOR to
WWII, might this explain the disposal of Turing?

NO. Not at all. You must be an American.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

[Norwood Holden]

Post by Chris Hills
He was homosexual at a time when being gay was "a security risk"....
The strain of being gay led quite a few in high profile and security
sensitive areas to commit suicide. Very sad and a great loss.
Silenced implies intent by some one else. I doubt that very much. As
least not from within the UK side. The Russians maybe but the were
communists and I doubt they were masons.

His mum didn't think he killed himself, neither do I.

What did he know that frightened the establishment enough to kill a war
hero? The smokescreen is we were still using the machines to spy on the
commonwealth. I don't buy it.

Post by Chris Hills
NO. Not at all. You must be an American.

I wish!!

[Chris Hills]

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Chris Hills
He was homosexual at a time when being gay was "a security risk"....
The strain of being gay led quite a few in high profile and security
sensitive areas to commit suicide. Very sad and a great loss.
Silenced implies intent by some one else. I doubt that very much. As
least not from within the UK side. The Russians maybe but the were
communists and I doubt they were masons.

His mum didn't think he killed himself, neither do I.
What did he know that frightened the establishment enough to kill a war
hero? The smokescreen is we were still using the machines to spy on the
commonwealth. I don't buy it.

Post by Chris Hills
NO. Not at all. You must be an American.

I wish!!

What nationality are you then?


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[Norwood Holden]

Post by Chris Hills
What nationality are you then?

I'm 'English' (a UK racial minority) Chris.

[Chris Hills]

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Chris Hills
What nationality are you then?

I'm 'English' (a UK racial minority) Chris.

SO why do you want to be an American?

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[Norwood Holden]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Chris Hills
What nationality are you then?

I'm 'English' (a UK racial minority) Chris.

SO why do you want to be an American?

No Chris I don't. Its the group I'm posting from, alt.freemasonry: They
assume that any critism of their neocon regime means that the poster is
jealous and really wants to live in the land of the free but because their
murderous ways are called to account then they must discredit the
messenger; they assume that critism of freemasonry for its societal
oppression, elitism and total corruption means that you have been
blackballed at some point.

[JB]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Chris Hills
What nationality are you then?

I'm 'English' (a UK racial minority) Chris.

SO why do you want to be an American?

They assume that any critism of their neocon regime means that the
poster is jealous and really wants to live in the land of the free
but because their murderous ways are called to account then they
must discredit the
messenger; they assume that critism of freemasonry for its societal
oppression, elitism and total corruption means that you have been
blackballed at some point.

..and why, pray tell, are you still posting from AF, under a whole
host of different nicks and crossposting to a whole swathe of
non-related groups?

Advice to anyone reading "Norwood": Don't believe what a troll says.

[Mark]

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Mark
Let me do the math. The encoding machine used by the Germans was created
in 1918 and the encryption technique was no doubt available to the
Allied forces.
The fundamental principle underlying every encyption technique is that
it doesn't matter whether you know how the data is encrypted; this
information is useless unless you know the key used to encrypt the data.
For example, the most common encyption technique today is known as PGP.
Anyone on the Internet can view the code behind PGP and learn exactly
how PGP encryption works. But to decrypt a message encrypted using PGP
would take decades no matter how well you understand the encyption
technique used. Without the decryption key, the message is uncrackable.
Anyone with a basic grounding in high school mathematics could
unnderstand the principles behind data encryption and the distinction
between the encoding technique used and the key used to encrypt the data.

Dear child, a key can only be envisaged if the locking mechanism it is to
free is known. That is simply Cryptography 101.

"Dear child", oh I do like that...Despite your bizarre opinions on
cryptography, I cannot fault your use of the English language. Of course
a key can only determined based on the locking mechanism. The locking
mechanism used in the Enigma key presented the Allies with an (at the
time) unprecedented number of possible combinations. The Axis concluded
, quite correctly, that to decipher the messages would take 10s, or even
100s of years of manual labour. The Allies used machine-power unknown to
the Axis to provide possible decypted versions of the Axis commnications.

Post by Norwood Holden
A key! A key for what??? How a lock is picked requires first we know the
locking mechanism, the key comes later.

True, but at the same time horribly misleading. For example, the typical
door key uses a 5-barrel locking mechanism, the physics of which is
available to the whole world. The mechanism is prep school science,
everyone knows it. But not everyone can construct the key to break the
encoding. My ATM card can only be used if I enter the 4-digit key (out
of a possible 1000 combinations) that works.

Post by Norwood Holden
I see you have fallen for the trap of taking your pretentious lead from
the masonic smokescreen in the form of Chris. What a lamer!! Write your
own materal lamer!! LOL!

Is this the point where I should don my tinfoil helmet? Just where to
the masons enter into this? I don't know who Chris is; perhaps you could
enlighten me? I don't believe I have copied this material from anyone;
its just my grade-level understanding of cryptographic principles. I'm
sure there are many out there who could explain the whole topic much
more concisely and eloquently than I can.

[David Simpson]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark

Post by Mark

Post by Norwood Holden

Post by Mark
Let me do the math. The encoding machine used by the Germans was created
in 1918 and the encryption technique was no doubt available to the
Allied forces.
The fundamental principle underlying every encyption technique is that
it doesn't matter whether you know how the data is encrypted; this
information is useless unless you know the key used to encrypt the data.
For example, the most common encyption technique today is known as PGP.
Anyone on the Internet can view the code behind PGP and learn exactly
how PGP encryption works. But to decrypt a message encrypted using PGP
would take decades no matter how well you understand the encyption
technique used. Without the decryption key, the message is uncrackable.
Anyone with a basic grounding in high school mathematics could
unnderstand the principles behind data encryption and the distinction
between the encoding technique used and the key used to encrypt the data.

Dear child, a key can only be envisaged if the locking mechanism it is to
free is known. That is simply Cryptography 101.

"Dear child", oh I do like that...Despite your bizarre opinions on
cryptography, I cannot fault your use of the English language. Of course
a key can only determined based on the locking mechanism. The locking
mechanism used in the Enigma key presented the Allies with an (at the
time) unprecedented number of possible combinations. The Axis concluded
, quite correctly, that to decipher the messages would take 10s, or even
100s of years of manual labour. The Allies used machine-power unknown to
the Axis to provide possible decypted versions of the Axis commnications.

Post by Norwood Holden
A key! A key for what??? How a lock is picked requires first we know the
locking mechanism, the key comes later.

True, but at the same time horribly misleading. For example, the typical
door key uses a 5-barrel locking mechanism, the physics of which is
available to the whole world. The mechanism is prep school science,
everyone knows it. But not everyone can construct the key to break the
encoding. My ATM card can only be used if I enter the 4-digit key (out
of a possible 1000 combinations) that works.

Actually a 4 digit key gives, if my memory serves me correctly, over
3,000,000 permutations. 10! - 6!.

Post by Mark

Post by Norwood Holden
I see you have fallen for the trap of taking your pretentious lead from
the masonic smokescreen in the form of Chris. What a lamer!! Write your
own materal lamer!! LOL!

Is this the point where I should don my tinfoil helmet? Just where to
the masons enter into this? I don't know who Chris is; perhaps you could
enlighten me? I don't believe I have copied this material from anyone;
its just my grade-level understanding of cryptographic principles. I'm
sure there are many out there who could explain the whole topic much
more concisely and eloquently than I can.

Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

[Chris Hills]

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.

I never use any other name.

In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.


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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ ***@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
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[Sanjay Patel]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.
I never use any other name.
In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.

David is a freemason, disenfranchised from his lodge decades ago. Do not
listen to him or others with their hatesites of malicious libel and
harrasment and down right lies. Welcome to the murky world of freemasonry
under their one God, Satan.

[Chris Hills]

Post by Sanjay Patel

Post by Chris Hills

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.
I never use any other name.
In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.

David is a freemason, disenfranchised from his lodge decades ago. Do not
listen to him or others with their hatesites of malicious libel and
harrasment and down right lies.

OK.

Post by Sanjay Patel
Welcome to the murky world of freemasonry
under their one God, Satan.

Please explain
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[Sanjay Patel]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1312484,00.html

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine
have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions
of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act
are still being felt by today's president


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1312484,00.html

[David Simpson]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by Sanjay Patel

Post by Chris Hills

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.
I never use any other name.
In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.

David is a freemason, disenfranchised from his lodge decades ago. Do not
listen to him or others with their hatesites of malicious libel and
harrasment and down right lies.

OK.

Post by Sanjay Patel
Welcome to the murky world of freemasonry
under their one God, Satan.

Please explain
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
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He can't. He just likes to lie.

[David Simpson]

Post by Sanjay Patel

Post by Chris Hills

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.
I never use any other name.
In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.

David is a freemason, disenfranchised from his lodge decades ago. Do not
listen to him or others with their hatesites of malicious libel and
harrasment and down right lies. Welcome to the murky world of freemasonry
under their one God, Satan.

This is another one of the troll Chris's nyms. He keeps changing them
just to try to keep ahead of the kill files.

Yes I am a Freemason but I resigned freely which this particular troll
knows. He just likes to lie.

[David Simpson]

Post by Chris Hills

Post by David Simpson
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:37:31 +0000, Mark
Chris is a troll who insists on changing his nym every few minutes
just to stay out of the kill files. Norwood Holden is one of those
many nyms.

What? I have used the name Chris Hills since birth and the domain for
the last 14 years on the Internet.
I never use any other name.
In fact I have a (reasonably) well known web site with my photo on it.
The same photo that is used in the technical journals I publish in.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

My apologies to you, Chris. Norwood Holden is one of the Nyms a troll
named Chris posts as. He often hangs out on alt.freemasonry. If it is
not you then the remarks were not intended to be about you.

[Jack the Ripper]

Dear Boss,


The decoders at Bletchley Park, through heroic mental effort, broke the
Enigma codes of the German 'Enigma' machine.

Just one problem: The Enigma machine was on sale in London, in shops,
commercially, years before the outbreak of WWII.

Hitlers growth was predictable and documented by spies. Britain had known
the value of code and of secret service from the time of Elizabeth I, and
likely before that time.

In order for the Freemasonic set to rule, they must first invoke the
darkness.

Your humble servant,
Jack

Post by Anemona
In London, the Government had known all about the holocaust for years: the
decoders at Bletchely Park read the daily reports of the SS to Berlin,
detailing how many Jews they had murdered that day.
The RAF could have bombed the gas chambers at Auschwitz: they had been
identified in aerial photographs; or the railway which led there from
Budapest, a line used to transport hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews
to the gas chambers. Churchill urged it, but the RAF objected.
Not only that Poms participated in murdering citizens of Coventry but now we
know that freemasons also participate in murdering of Jews and others in
Auschwitz.
What a disgusting bastard nation of murderers!

Strange how Ch 7 and company can only find and interview only Jewish
survivors of Auswitch?One would expect some respect and to hear from a
survivor that was not Jewish. Simply because they to were there in the

same

horrible conditions?
Ch9 and the ABC seem to be able to cover that WWII horror without
particularly emphasising the smaller Jewish involvement without

diminishinh

the event. And the predominanc of Jewish witnesses appearing could be

merely

refloecting the retiring nature of the non Jewish victims rather than
attempts to by Jews to dominate proceedings and maintain the sympathy of
the public for their suffering rather than the non Jewish victims.

What are you saying, jews can't take a joke as well as others? Or that ch7
has some particular interest in pushing Israel's causes?

[b***@yahoo.com.au]

There are no gas chambers at Auschwitz and there never were. That has
been given up not by revisionists but by standard "scholars" of the
holohype. I note that the gas chamber misclaim are still uncritically
regurgitated.

The one unit exhibited to the public was a reproduction from the 1950s.


So how was the RAF to bomb something that didn't exist. The only gas
chamber claims now remaining are ones supposedly relating to small and
demolished farm houses away from Auschwitz internment camp. It was a
synthetic fuel and chemical facility. The inmates were used as part of
the workforce.

Incidently the 'death rate' at Auschwitz is now down from 4 million to
800,000 and that is official.

The deathes have been transfered to other camps thereby maintaining the
magic 6 million number.

[jg]

Post by b***@yahoo.com.au
There are no gas chambers at Auschwitz and there never were. That has
been given up not by revisionists but by standard "scholars" of the
holohype. I note that the gas chamber misclaim are still uncritically
regurgitated.
The one unit exhibited to the public was a reproduction from the 1950s.
So how was the RAF to bomb something that didn't exist. The only gas
chamber claims now remaining are ones supposedly relating to small and
demolished farm houses away from Auschwitz internment camp. It was a
synthetic fuel and chemical facility. The inmates were used as part of
the workforce.
Incidently the 'death rate' at Auschwitz is now down from 4 million to
800,000 and that is official.
The deathes have been transfered to other camps thereby maintaining the
magic 6 million number.

Oh well that's not nearly so bad is it? How did the 800,000 die then...
suicide to illicit sympathy after the war?

[Arianne]

Post by jg

Post by b***@yahoo.com.au
There are no gas chambers at Auschwitz and there never were. That has
been given up not by revisionists but by standard "scholars" of the
holohype. I note that the gas chamber misclaim are still uncritically
regurgitated.
The one unit exhibited to the public was a reproduction from the 1950s.

Was there, talked to people living there for more than 60 years they deny
that ever were so many people in Auschwitz Birkenau complex.
Most of prisoners were working in neighbouring chemical factory and there
are many who survived many years there and some are still alive today.

Post by jg
Oh well that's not nearly so bad is it? How did the 800,000 die then...
suicide to illicit sympathy after the war?

Just like 50,000 fathers executed by ex-wife, the Family Court and Child
Support Agency the political fable according to new-world-order.
Some were sick, some were old and winters in Poland are terrible. There was
bad treatment, but if you held Germans responsible for that you should also
held responsible judiciary and Australian government for 50,000 male deaths
by suicide.

[Rosamund Stein]

This is a genuine competition. The document must be of German origin
(Allied code-breaking intercepts will be accepted); it must be submitted
to Focal Point Publications; it must be submitted as a clear photocopy of
the original, with proof ot its provenance (archives, etc). "Wartime"
refers to the years September 1, 1939--May 8, 1945. The reference must be
explicit, and not depend upon clever translations, or fancy
interpretations, or reading-between-the-lines.




http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/controversies/Reward.html

[Michiko]

Boring, boring...the stuff with the 'lodge'.

Yeah Jim, why would you want to write anything about visiting another
Masonic
Lodge in a Masonic newsgroup?
It's much more interesting hearing about people trying to get into someone
elses home and how much someone else loves going to the theatre, etc. Now,
those are topics for Masonic discussion, aren't they? <VBWG>
George K.

[Michiko]

Post by Anemona
What a disgusting bastard nation of murderers!

Who cares. All Masons lie nad change lies when appropriate for deceiving
others.

... And all of this at a local level, but aiming at a "New World Order" to
control a universal monetary system, a universal government, and a unified
religion under the doctrines of Masonry.

These goals reminds us the "Anti-Christ" of the Bible: "They worshiped the
beast... there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and
blasphemies... and he causes all, both great and small, rich and poor, free
and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And
no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark" (Rev.13:4-5, 16-17)...
and the Bible tells us that he who receives the "mark" will go to Hell
(Rev.14:9-11).

- Today's technology is controlling the movements of millions of animals
using microchips the size of 1/20 of a rice grain, implanted in the skin
with a small needle, holding information equivalent to 20,000 pages: Canada
has approved it for cattle. The European Community requires all livestock be
implanted with micro chips. In Colorado Springs and other cities of America
micro chips are replacing dog and cat tags.

- In a world where cash is eliminated and every financial transaction is
done electronically, not only the credit cards can be used, but also your
micro chip number, retinal readers, voice recognition systems, signature
dynamics...

- Freemasonry is in decay today, but it may be one of the agents to do all
of this for 42 months... it is coming!, warns us the Bible... but Christ is
more powerful than 1,000 Anti-Christs!... don't you ever get the "mark" of
the beast... with Jesus in your heart you have to be afraid of nothing, even
the cashless society will keep on making you free and happy on earth, and
you will eventually end up in eternal Heaven.