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How to make a complaint?
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PB
2004-08-09 16:32:08 UTC
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As you all probably know, complaints against Social Services are
initially investigated by social workers. Eventually, a complaint may
heard by a supposedly impartial panel of councillors, although I've
always found it a little difficult to believe that a council is likely
to find against one of its own departments.

Anyway, my question is this: apart from the Ombudsman, are there any
other ways to pursue a complaint if you're not satisfied with the
council's response?
Paul Robson
2004-08-09 17:20:15 UTC
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Post by PB
As you all probably know, complaints against Social Services are
initially investigated by social workers. Eventually, a complaint may
heard by a supposedly impartial panel of councillors, although I've
always found it a little difficult to believe that a council is likely
to find against one of its own departments.
Anyway, my question is this: apart from the Ombudsman, are there any
other ways to pursue a complaint if you're not satisfied with the
council's response?
Legal action. However they will lie.
paul nutteing
2004-08-09 17:34:47 UTC
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Post by PB
As you all probably know, complaints against Social Services are
initially investigated by social workers. Eventually, a complaint may
heard by a supposedly impartial panel of councillors, although I've
always found it a little difficult to believe that a council is likely
to find against one of its own departments.
Anyway, my question is this: apart from the Ombudsman, are there any
other ways to pursue a complaint if you're not satisfied with the
council's response?
Ombudsman is a total waste of time - I've been there.
Put the whole lot in the public domain is all i can suggest.

Assume the whole lot of them are corrupt, incompetent and
at the very least wimps who cannot think analytically
and when things go tits up they shelter under the
petticoats of legal officers and hide in their
code-entry edifices. They may start with good intentions
but it soon goes astray.

Another leading social worker shows their true nature today.
Rarely being able to submit genuine evidence they
expect a god-given right to submit hearsay crap.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1278960,00.html
Quote
Alison O'Sullivan, director of social services in Bradford, believes that
the children's bill currently passing through parliament will help to put
the multi-agency approach to the problem of grooming on a statutory
footing. Nationwide, the criminal justice bill will, for the first time,
ensure that hearsay evidence is admissible in such cases, and the sexual
offences bill makes the grooming of a child a criminal offence in its own
right.

End Quote


Will it ever end Prof David Southall, Prof Roy Meadow
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2004/08/09/nbul09.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/09/ixhome.html
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Mother will not face retrial

The Crown Prosecution Service has dropped plans for a retrial in the case
of a mother who was detained for smothering her two children after the now-
discredited paediatrician Sir Roy Meadow gave evidence against her.

Julie Ferris, of Aston, Birmingham, was ordered to be held in a psychiatric
hospital in 2001 after Prof Meadow, who is to face a General Medical
Council hearing next year, acted as an expert witness at her trial. Miss
Ferris has always maintained her innocence.
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Ancient One
2004-08-09 19:57:04 UTC
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Make a complete nuisance of yourself

Write to all levels of the system from the head of services to the CSCI, Dep
of Ed, your MP, MEP, Councillor, newspapers.

Its only worth doing if you have some real hardass evidence on them though
and it has to be of an imortant issue.

SS will drag their heels, tell people you are mad, tell others you dropped
the complaints, discuss your complaints with the worker involved, drag it
out even further, lie to your MP, lie to anyone else and tell them also you
are mad, its taken two years to get to finally speak with the managers of
DCC

Also, write to the people at the CSCI who are now doing the audits for SS,
tell them you have a story but because there is a complaint in process, the
CSCI will not be shown your issues.

There is forthcoming publicity planned in the media, so we will all have to
hold tight and when the door opens, we force it through

AO
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Paul Nutteing
2004-08-09 21:29:48 UTC
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Post by Ancient One
Make a complete nuisance of yourself
Write to all levels of the system from the head of services to the CSCI, Dep
of Ed, your MP, MEP, Councillor, newspapers.
Its only worth doing if you have some real hardass evidence on them though
and it has to be of an imortant issue.
SS will drag their heels, tell people you are mad, tell others you dropped
the complaints, discuss your complaints with the worker involved, drag it
out even further, lie to your MP, lie to anyone else and tell them also you
are mad, its taken two years to get to finally speak with the managers of
DCC
Also, write to the people at the CSCI who are now doing the audits for SS,
tell them you have a story but because there is a complaint in process, the
CSCI will not be shown your issues.
There is forthcoming publicity planned in the media, so we will all have to
hold tight and when the door opens, we force it through
AO
RPSSUK
http://www.the-real-picture-of-uk-social-services.i8.com/
Then after a few months apply to the council data controller
under the DPAct to get copies of all the material on yourself.
Cost at most 10UKP , for some odd reason ( probably for
training purposes as my DPA ref number was 002 with Wilts CC there
was no charge to me ).
Great pile of bumpf in two tranches.

From an inside SS managerial level contact (not Wilts SSD)
they hate having outsiders rumaging through their files
and then every single item has to be read so they don't
give away third party info, libelous marginalia etc.
Apart from all the time tsken up - THEY HATE IT.

Wiltshire Social Services in the raw
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Ancient One
2004-08-09 22:54:15 UTC
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Well, its taken since the 18/2/04 to finally get a promise to see my files.

slightly over the 40 day limit wouldn't you say?

Paul, I haven't formulated my response onto what I want to see, would you
advise me on exactly what to ask for?

I also want to see the initial contact between social worker and exwife as I
am sure she made serious allegations resulting in war on myself, whats the
best way to tackle this.

I suspect as solicitor does that its taken this long as books have been
cooked until whole parts have dissolved.

Any ideas?

AO
RPSSUK
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suspicious minds
2004-08-10 13:30:11 UTC
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Post by Ancient One
Well, its taken since the 18/2/04 to finally get a promise to see my files.
slightly over the 40 day limit wouldn't you say?
Paul, I haven't formulated my response onto what I want to see, would you
advise me on exactly what to ask for?
I also want to see the initial contact between social worker and exwife as I
am sure she made serious allegations resulting in war on myself, whats the
best way to tackle this.
I suspect as solicitor does that its taken this long as books have been
cooked until whole parts have dissolved.
Any ideas?
AO
RPSSUK
http://www.the-real-picture-of-uk-social-services.i8.com/
Ask for everything that you are entitled to under the subject access
provisions of the DPA. you want hard copies not just access.

From the Information commissioner

"Making a subject access request?
Subject access requests must be made in writing to data controllers who are
allowed up to 40 days in which to respond. (The "data controller" is
technically the organisation responsible for the data, in this case local
authority as a whole. For practical purposes it is often easiest, however,
to approach its social services department directly.) Data subjects are
entitled to be told if any personal data are held about them and, if it is:


1.. . To be given a description of the data;


1.. . To be told why the data are held;


2.. . To be told who the data may have been given to;


3.. . To be given a copy of the data with any technical terms explained;


4.. . To be given any information available to the controller as to the
source of the data;


5.. . To be given an explanation as to how any automated decision taken
about them have been made.

Data controllers may charge a fee of up to £10 for responding to a subject
access request. They may also ask for any information which they need in
order to verify the identity of the person making the requests and to locate
the data (for instance names of relevant social workers, dates of contact
with the Department.)

Information which may be withheld

In principle individuals have a right to be given a copy of all the
information contained in their social work files. There are, however, times
when the Act allows the social services department to withhold some
information. The main exceptions are:


1.. . If the information on a file identifies other people, then it will
often be right to remove that information unless the third parties have
agreed to the disclosure. (This is less likely to apply to information
identifying social workers or other social work professionals unless to
disclose it would cause them serious harm.)


2.. . If the disclosure of the information would prejudice the carrying
out of social work by reason of the fact that serious harm to the physical
or mental health of the data subject or any other person would be likely to
be caused;


3.. . If, in the case of requests made on behalf of the data subject by a
person able to exercise their legal rights, the data subject has expressly
asked that some or all of the information should not be disclosed or if they
have provided the social services department with information on the
assumption that it will not be disclosed;


4.. . If in that particular case it would hinder the prevention and
detection of crime or the prosecution or apprehension of offenders to
provide it. "
http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/eventual.aspx?id=1228
Ancient One
2004-08-10 16:32:02 UTC
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Thanks for the heads up

Just the ticket, I am formulating my response now, I just can't wait to see
their faces hehehe

I am also sending out requests per interagency for their permission, so
hopefully the only area to be witheld will be exwife and sensitive data of
daughter.

Cheers

AO
Paul Nutteing
2004-08-10 17:59:49 UTC
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Post by Ancient One
Well, its taken since the 18/2/04 to finally get a promise to see my files.
slightly over the 40 day limit wouldn't you say?
Paul, I haven't formulated my response onto what I want to see, would you
advise me on exactly what to ask for?
I also want to see the initial contact between social worker and exwife as I
am sure she made serious allegations resulting in war on myself, whats the
best way to tackle this.
I suspect as solicitor does that its taken this long as books have been
cooked until whole parts have dissolved.
Any ideas?
AO
RPSSUK
http://www.the-real-picture-of-uk-social-services.i8.com/
Wilts County Council data controller did not forward me a copy of
letter JBS1 that corrupt Wiltshire social worker manager
John Barton STODDART submitted as evidence to police.
A forged letter purporting to be sent by myself.
Can't say I'm surprised SS, police , ombudsmen etc look
after their own.

Wiltshire Social Workers doing what comes naturally
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Ancient One
2004-08-10 23:13:51 UTC
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Yes, I got that.

Apperently on file is a request from myself to drop all complaints and I
accept the viewpoints unreservedly of the social work team....!

I hope its a good forgery though, something to get my teeth into.

Whats the name of that science that fingerprints a persons writing style?

Whatever it is I will be using that to full effect.

How's your war going with them anyway, any resolutions in sight?

Did you see the link to Shaming Swindon on my site? very interesting
although Debbie is giving up on it.

AO
Paul Robson
2004-09-03 10:08:53 UTC
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Post by Ancient One
Make a complete nuisance of yourself
Write to all levels of the system from the head of services to the CSCI, Dep
of Ed, your MP, MEP, Councillor, newspapers.
Absolutely ; the best way to get results out of these bastards is
not to play the game by their rules, which they control.

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