taking a civil action against a social worker

[Paul Nutteing]

after a long drawn out complaints process(8 months) with a social services
trust, despite damming evidence that 1 particular social worker is a liar,
and told police lies on multiple occassions even though he knew a care

order

on a child was in force he still continued to lie to police,in the
subsequent
investigation he said he told police a care order was in force,but the
police records from several different officers state otherwise, i am going
to persue a civil case against this man, for he is still working in an out
of hours service within the uk and that just isnt right, any hints tips,

on

how to go about this or grounds in which to persue him are appreciated, i
shall be going to a solicitor on monday, so if any one can give me any no
matter how small an input it is greatly appreciated, Stephen

Put the whole lot on the internet.
Why waste good money on corrupt shite like
social workers. Remember they are well in with all
the local law officers, CPS , police etc and I doubt you
would get anywhere in prosecution - remember the whole system is corrupt.

I happen to have known for thirty years, a now manager
level social worker, and he gave my one inside bit of gen.
Social workers , en masse, do not like any personal
info relating to themselves and their activities being put in
the public domain.
Try finding the name of any social worker in a phone book
for instance.

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[stephen]

thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers i
requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part, but id
really like to have my day in court with him, i have the custody records
from police and they clearly show what a liar he is, also in his own written
notes a month after the incident he contradicts himself by stating same as
he told police on the day that no care order in force, ive enough evidence
to make him squirm, but i really want to see him in court, sod the money
required, be worth every penny, and your right they are corrupt, from the
bottom to the top, for despite glaringly obvious proof of his lies, they
could not conclude saying it was 1 against 1 in differences of opinion,
utter hogwash, however, the release of the social workers personal info has
led to the information commissioners office intervening, so at least ive got
the deputy cheif in hot water, social worker in question ive since found out
was under instruction of his principle, so maybe court is best option, no
matter what, i now see myself as minister for mayhem and mischeif, ive run
out of folk to complain against, however, sights now on court with social
worker, S

[Martin Milan]

Post by stephen
thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers
i requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part,
but id really like to have my day in court with him, i have the
custody records from police and they clearly show what a liar he is,
also in his own written notes a month after the incident he
contradicts himself by stating same as he told police on the day that
no care order in force, ive enough evidence to make him squirm, but i
really want to see him in court, sod the money required, be worth
every penny, and your right they are corrupt, from the bottom to the
top, for despite glaringly obvious proof of his lies, they could not
conclude saying it was 1 against 1 in differences of opinion, utter
hogwash, however, the release of the social workers personal info has
led to the information commissioners office intervening, so at least
ive got the deputy cheif in hot water, social worker in question ive
since found out was under instruction of his principle, so maybe court
is best option, no matter what, i now see myself as minister for
mayhem and mischeif, ive run out of folk to complain against, however,
sights now on court with social worker, S

I'm not a lawyer, but surely in a civil action you can only sue for
damages you have sustained.. Without knowing your situation it's
impossible to comment, but I'd beat that in mind...

You also need to be mindful of who you are taking on - his employers
will no doubt assist with his defence, and as I take it your complaint
resulted in his being cleared, it's not exactly in their interest to
allow you to go and prove your case in court...

Expect a big, messy, expensive fight in my opinion...

The courts are not the place to sort out things like this - have you
exhausted the complaints process? Is there an Ombudsman, or someone
independent of the SS department concerned that you could go through
first?

[IanAl]

Post by Martin Milan
I'm not a lawyer, but surely in a civil action you can only sue for
damages you have sustained.. Without knowing your situation it's
impossible to comment, but I'd beat that in mind...

I thought it had been established in court that social workers don't
owe parents of children they deal with any 'duty of care' (Orkney
satanic abuse case).

Even if you won, the money would come out of public funds and the SW
would not be affected.

There would have to be some sort of criminal charge for the SW to cop
it and I can't think of any offence - lying to the police isn't
illegal unless it constitutes PCJ (perverting the course of justice).

IANAL (as my monicker suggests).

[Paul Nutteing]

Post by Martin Milan

Post by stephen
thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers
i requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part,
but id really like to have my day in court with him, i have the
custody records from police and they clearly show what a liar he is,
also in his own written notes a month after the incident he
contradicts himself by stating same as he told police on the day that
no care order in force, ive enough evidence to make him squirm, but i
really want to see him in court, sod the money required, be worth
every penny, and your right they are corrupt, from the bottom to the
top, for despite glaringly obvious proof of his lies, they could not
conclude saying it was 1 against 1 in differences of opinion, utter
hogwash, however, the release of the social workers personal info has
led to the information commissioners office intervening, so at least
ive got the deputy cheif in hot water, social worker in question ive
since found out was under instruction of his principle, so maybe court
is best option, no matter what, i now see myself as minister for
mayhem and mischeif, ive run out of folk to complain against, however,
sights now on court with social worker, S

I'm not a lawyer, but surely in a civil action you can only sue for
damages you have sustained.. Without knowing your situation it's
impossible to comment, but I'd beat that in mind...
You also need to be mindful of who you are taking on - his employers
will no doubt assist with his defence, and as I take it your complaint
resulted in his being cleared, it's not exactly in their interest to
allow you to go and prove your case in court...
Expect a big, messy, expensive fight in my opinion...
The courts are not the place to sort out things like this - have you
exhausted the complaints process? Is there an Ombudsman, or someone
independent of the SS department concerned that you could go through
first?

Ombudsman is a waste of space: this is all i got
"I ( Stephen Purser ) must first explain that under the
provision of the Local Government Act 1974, the Ombudsman has no power to
investigate any matter which relates to a personnel issue regarding an
officer
of the Council. In this case your complaint is about the way in which the
Council went about investigating the allegations that you made to it about a
social worker falls outside the Ombudsman's jurisdiction."

Despite threats to me
made on official Wilts SSD headed paper, he deemed it a personnel
matter, so I went to town investigating the personnel involved.

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[Paul Nutteing]

Post by stephen
thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers i
requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part, but id
really like to have my day in court with him, i have the custody records
from police and they clearly show what a liar he is, also in his own written
notes a month after the incident he contradicts himself by stating same as
he told police on the day that no care order in force, ive enough evidence
to make him squirm, but i really want to see him in court, sod the money
required, be worth every penny, and your right they are corrupt, from the
bottom to the top, for despite glaringly obvious proof of his lies, they
could not conclude saying it was 1 against 1 in differences of opinion,
utter hogwash, however, the release of the social workers personal info has
led to the information commissioners office intervening, so at least ive got
the deputy cheif in hot water, social worker in question ive since found out
was under instruction of his principle, so maybe court is best option, no
matter what, i now see myself as minister for mayhem and mischeif, ive run
out of folk to complain against, however, sights now on court with social
worker, S

Remember the only way social workers can function is
they are often constrained to lie to one party or another.
It must be included in the job description - ability
to lie face to face and in writing.
I have evidence of
a social worker lying face to face to local police she
was expected to work worth and I gave that evidence to those police.

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[Alex Heney]

Post by stephen
thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers i
requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part, but id
really like to have my day in court with him,

For what?

Unless you can show actual financial or physical damage to yourself,
you have no civil case against him.

And you certainly haven't told us of anything that would give rise to
a criminal case.

[cable news]

matter to what i reffer is a social worker telling lies to police as a
direct result of these lies a child, my son was arrested,for his safety and
the saftey of others, social services did not intervene, and i have since
obtained written proof from the custody records of what the police were
told, the lies led to disability discrimination, human rights issues as to
the trusts abandonment of a child with a full care order, i might add i am
doing this for and on behalf of my son, i have not suffered physical or
financial loss, but my son has suffered severely ,1 being arrested due to
care order not being disclosed to police, 2, he was later released to the
care of a person with severe mental problems this despite them being told,
but they done it anyway, i have proof of their failings, but they have done
nowt about it, ensuing cover ups and mis direction is unreal, can anyone see
a glimpse of a case now? S

[Alex Heney]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:41:06 GMT, "cable news"

Post by cable news
matter to what i reffer is a social worker telling lies to police as a
direct result of these lies a child, my son was arrested,for his safety and
the saftey of others, social services did not intervene, and i have since
obtained written proof from the custody records of what the police were
told, the lies led to disability discrimination, human rights issues as to
the trusts abandonment of a child with a full care order, i might add i am
doing this for and on behalf of my son, i have not suffered physical or
financial loss, but my son has suffered severely ,1 being arrested due to
care order not being disclosed to police, 2, he was later released to the
care of a person with severe mental problems this despite them being told,
but they done it anyway, i have proof of their failings, but they have done
nowt about it, ensuing cover ups and mis direction is unreal, can anyone see
a glimpse of a case now? S

No.

[Mr X]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:41:06 GMT, "cable news"

Post by cable news
matter to what i reffer is a social worker telling lies to police as a
direct result of these lies a child, my son was arrested,for his safety and
the saftey of others, social services did not intervene, and i have since
obtained written proof from the custody records of what the police were
told, the lies led to disability discrimination, human rights issues as to
the trusts abandonment of a child with a full care order, i might add i am
doing this for and on behalf of my son, i have not suffered physical or
financial loss, but my son has suffered severely ,1 being arrested due to
care order not being disclosed to police, 2, he was later released to the
care of a person with severe mental problems this despite them being told,
but they done it anyway, i have proof of their failings, but they have done
nowt about it, ensuing cover ups and mis direction is unreal, can anyone see
a glimpse of a case now? S

No.

Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

[Alex Heney]

Post by Mr X

Post by Alex Heney
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:41:06 GMT, "cable news"

Post by cable news
matter to what i reffer is a social worker telling lies to police as a
direct result of these lies a child, my son was arrested,for his safety and
the saftey of others, social services did not intervene, and i have since
obtained written proof from the custody records of what the police were
told, the lies led to disability discrimination, human rights issues as to
the trusts abandonment of a child with a full care order, i might add i am
doing this for and on behalf of my son, i have not suffered physical or
financial loss, but my son has suffered severely ,1 being arrested due to
care order not being disclosed to police, 2, he was later released to the
care of a person with severe mental problems this despite them being told,
but they done it anyway, i have proof of their failings, but they have done
nowt about it, ensuing cover ups and mis direction is unreal, can anyone see
a glimpse of a case now? S

No.

Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

[Paul Robson]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Mr X
Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

If you search under misefeasance you'll find how it works ; but it does
not cover incompetence.

I think it has to be "jaw droppingly illogical" (i.e. not just a
debatable mistake) or malicious.

It is very difficult to make a case ; if it is malicious as a side
effect it doesn't count !

As an analogy, if under public service laws someone murdered someone
when committing a break in, they could only be charged with the break in
because the murder wasn't the primary act.

[The Todal]

Post by Paul Robson

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Mr X
Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

If you search under misefeasance you'll find how it works ; but it does
not cover incompetence.
I think it has to be "jaw droppingly illogical" (i.e. not just a debatable
mistake) or malicious.
It is very difficult to make a case ; if it is malicious as a side effect
it doesn't count !
As an analogy, if under public service laws someone murdered someone when
committing a break in, they could only be charged with the break in
because the murder wasn't the primary act.

[The Todal]

Post by Paul Robson

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Mr X
Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

If you search under misefeasance you'll find how it works ; but it does
not cover incompetence.
I think it has to be "jaw droppingly illogical" (i.e. not just a debatable
mistake) or malicious.
It is very difficult to make a case ; if it is malicious as a side effect
it doesn't count !

It is however fairly common to sue a social worker (you'd actually sue the
employing authority who are of course vicariously liable) for negligence. It
is not the sort of thing you should attempt without the help of lawyers
because the law is quite complicated. For instance, if a parent is wrongly
accused of abuse the social workers do not owe him a duty of care because
their main duty is owed to the child and it would be a conflict of interest
for them to have to look out for the interests of the parent too.

I didn't see the OP's original question, and would suggest that instead of
suing, or before suing, he should try a complaint to the Ombudsman. At least
that should cost him nothing and not put him at risk of paying any of his
opponents' costs.

[Alex Heney]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:53:53 +0100, Paul Robson

Post by Paul Robson

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Mr X
Yes, common law criminal offence of "misconduct in a public office"

Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

If you search under misefeasance you'll find how it works ; but it does
not cover incompetence.
I think it has to be "jaw droppingly illogical" (i.e. not just a
debatable mistake) or malicious.
It is very difficult to make a case ; if it is malicious as a side
effect it doesn't count !

Yep.

that is precisely the point I was trying to make.

[Mr X]

Post by Alex Heney
Almost impossible to get a case in this type of situation. That does
not cover incompetence (which this probably is), but only deliberate
misfeasance.

Not so. Misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance actually.

Those three categories cover most instances of misconduct in a public
office including incompetence but in my experience the police refuse to
even investigate so no evidence is ever found.

[Andre]

No.
--

Heney as usual lies, you do have a case and it may not be as expensive
as you may think, think in terms of the opportunities denied to
yourself and your son, think of the way in which all this occured that
may constitute harrassment for the sexual gratification or
discrimnation of the SW against you and your son.

Then have a look at the equal opportunities legislation, you might be
able to get some help to make a case there, a general tip, if you do go
there, do not talk in terms of a criminal offense, they find on the
balance of probabilities not on absolutes.

So if you cry crocodile tears saying what it is you object to and how
morally wrong that is, you could just sneek through, damages can be
just as rewarding.

Also you should note that if you persue a criminal case, and get the
cops to bring it, that is a very big battle and in all probabilty going
to be a waste of time, likewise a st. out suit for damages will in any
case be expensive ....but the EQC are trying to expand their
jurisdiction and may just take it on......if they do, it should be
free....good luck

[Fergus O'Rourke]

Post by cable news
matter to what i reffer is a social worker telling lies to police
as a direct result of these lies a child, my son was arrested,for
his safety and the saftey of others, social services did not
intervene, and i have since obtained written proof from the custody
records of what the police were told, the lies led to disability
discrimination, human rights issues as to the trusts abandonment of
a child with a full care order, i might add i am doing this for and
on behalf of my son, i have not suffered physical or financial
loss, but my son has suffered severely ,1 being arrested due to
care order not being disclosed to police, 2, he was later released
to the care of a person with severe mental problems this despite
them being told, but they done it anyway, i have proof of their
failings, but they have done nowt about it, ensuing cover ups and
mis direction is unreal, can anyone see a glimpse of a case now? S

Yes.

But can you prove that they were lies i.e. falsehoods known to be such by
the s.w. ?

Have the police no interest in dealing with the waste of their time /

[Mr X]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by stephen
thanks for quick reply, i was actually sent his home address in papers i
requested via data protection act, lol, a big boo boo on their part, but id
really like to have my day in court with him,

For what?
Unless you can show actual financial or physical damage to yourself,
you have no civil case against him.
And you certainly haven't told us of anything that would give rise to
a criminal case.

Common Law criminal offence of "Misconduct in a public office".

[cable news]

thank you all for your input +&-, it is appreciated, Equality Commission is
currently looking into a possible Disability Discrimination case, i shall
await their decision on this before i seek other legal advice, in the
meantime i have another complaint this time against the so called care team,
if nothing else its paper work for them, and a new reference number for me
to drag it through all asundrie, will keep you all posted, thanks again,
Stephen

[cable news]

wee update,i have since placed a complaint with the trust involved,i have
strongly defamed a senior in the hope he will take me for libel, save me the
trouble of court costs, for if he moves against me i will have my day with
the evidence i have against him and his colleagues, interesting times ahead,
im prepared to do the time, if it goes tits up, cant post immediate details,
however, i will email them on condition they are kept from public domain for
the time being, Stephen

[stephen]

@ fergus, police dont seem to bothered that they were kept in the dark,
however they have been more than helpful in getting me information, as one
of them said, "we have to go with what ss tell us," have since met with them
and recorded notes from psni to ss is not what psni told ss, again more
proof of the lies, and this is all documented, i was talking to a psw and he
clearly said sw a liar and he has never seen so much evidence in a
complainants favour in his 8 years as complaints manager!! saga goes on...S